Knickertoker's Glass Collection

[knickertoker]

Hey GD, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheKnickertoker



http://www.youtube.com/user/TheKnickertoker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXf80qnoBz4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXf80qnoBz4

Luke Wilson & Vertigo 54 Arm Bubbler Set Collab:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdqMm_AGMmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdqMm_AGMmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKJrKmORQE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKJrKmORQE

Current SG collection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNiLOxZqE-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNiLOxZqE-U

Sovereignty Glass Peyote Pillar, Bent Neck Natty Splash-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHxJqAEsm1k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHxJqAEsm1k

v. SG Four Arm Pillar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEtQv8s_fPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEtQv8s_fPg

From what I've seen, the gridded Peyote Pillar is probably the most sophisticated perc produced when considering the diffusion technology that's been developed to date. Prior to the SG Pillar, or Stem-line, I had experienced diffusion technology first with the ROOR diffused down-stem (both US and .de versions) and then with the Honeycomb Disc by PHx. The ROOR diffused down-stems were the weakest. The German made version was designed slightly better than the US, with the holes placed in clusters instead of rows. From my experience, the best diffused down-stem is made by Sovereignty Glass, with four 180 degree gridded slits. The 180 degree gridded slits in the down-stem work perfectly with pieces with 45 degree joints. The PHx HD Mini-Duo was an upgrade to the ROOR, but I found the multi-chamber, dome-style percs to add way too much drag for my taste. While the "patented" Honeycomb Disc by PHx visually seems like it would create massive diffusion, the reality is that gridded technology by SG and even 2011 BC, is vastly superior (Have only seen BC videos, and have tried a 2011 BC Gridded Shower-Head Ash-catcher). RooR.de Diffuser Ash-Catcher, Medicali 5 Arm Tree Perc Ash-Catcher - Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHKsN7cD_Fo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHKsN7cD_Fo

Sovereignty Glass/Royal Collab Stem/8- The cap work and slide are done by Royal. This is smoothest hitting piece I've experienced to date. In my opinion, the gridded stem-line along with the Peyote Pillar, put SG at the very top of the game.
Video: Stem-line to Gridded 8 Arm, with Eclipse Vape, Illadelph Five Hole Slide, and Royal Ice Pinch Slide:
The Illadelph 5 hole slide is an upgrade from regular snap bowls, but I still think the Disc diffused slides by the Wilson brothers are slightly better when factoring in the reduction of drag and bowl size. Ice pinch slides sort of fall in the middle, as they allow for greater airflow, but also allow for more ash to pull through. The PHX Honeycomb diffused slide in my opinion is the best designed most functional slide out to date, but is also harder to clean than more traditional slides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KppRRvmb-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KppRRvmb-0

SG Peyote Pillar and Stem/8 Comparison Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_oR2Lln1Q4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_oR2Lln1Q4

Sovereignty Glass Recycler Micro Bubbler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YryJu-q5f_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YryJu-q5f_I

Toro Micro Double Hex 5th Anniversary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWjSmaiATBk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWjSmaiATBk

Labworx Worked Wig Wag Bell (Triple Passion) Quartz Skillet Vapor Curve - Flamed Polished Logo, Adjustable Quartz Vapor Pad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saJcz8cd5zk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saJcz8cd5zk

Luke Wilson 15 Arm Dewaar Bubbler: Luke Wilson's Bubblers seem to have become the benchmark for which others are measured. I've had previous experience with the PHx Minuteman 4 arm Bubbler, and the Luke Wilson clearly provides for a smoother more refined hit.
Video - Luke Wilson Dewaar Bubbler and Toro Micro Double Hex Comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHWFtiTK1zM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHWFtiTK1zM

Mobius Matrix Dewaar Bubbler:



Enter the Matrix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8dotKdhlg8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8dotKdhlg8

Mobius Matrix and Luke Wilson Video - Battle of the Dewaar:
The Matrix sits about a half inch shorter than the Luke Wilson Dewaar but feels significantly heavier/bulkier in the hand. The Matrix perc is a real piece of work and is aestically pleasing in its own right. With the Matrix you have to fill the bubbler with more water, to above the entire perc, whereas with the LW, the water only has to cover the slits on the bottom of the trees (I like to put a little more). Even with this extra water, the smoke flows through the Matrix extremely well. You can feel and hear the chug with the Luke Wilson, and it clearly has more drag than the dragless Matrix. The major knock on the Matrix is that the perc does not utilize all the slits to the very bottom. I'll say for myself that there is absolutely no way you can get entire perc to fire, no matter what you do. However, I do not think this is neccessarily a bad thing. An argument could be made that the extra slits provide for some sort of other function, possibly mainly to reduce drag. The Matrix is the most dragless free flowing piece I've hit of this size. Also the chug or drag you get with the Luke Wilson is not necessarily a bad thing, and I actually prefer this feeling to a hit as opposed to more of a drag-less hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbTw0R4Nug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbTw0R4Nug

Mobius Matrix and Toro Micro Double Hex Comparison Video:
ROOR Carbon Filter, McFinn's Carbon Filter - Keck Clips - Luke and Ben Wilson Disc Screen Slides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMQIAn9oCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMQIAn9oCs

[Seven3o5]

Sick collection bro! im digging that peyote pillar.

[Tobybologna]

I love that natty ped foot pillar and the hex looks like quite a beast. Props on the diversity and the quality there, a great selection I'd say.

[Kansas]

That Pillar is Ill, Diggin the work on the Cap, Similar to what I'm looking for. Stay Up Dude

[telemira]

I believe the hollowfoot and the ped pillar should have the same drag, so long as they are both natural splash guards. I believe the type you have was produced more commonly before the hollowfoot caught popularity, though ped bases are still made today. I used to have one but traded it for a straight on because of drag.

Nice collection. Diggin' that micro. I have a double inline. How is the drag on it?

[SovernlyToro]

what a sweet little collect man, kinda similar to mine my camera is finally back so can start takin pics. the double hex seems dope the only micro i would want. and Royal's work on that stem/8 is straight as hell really thought of getting that from Alt for a long time. glad it went to somebody who will enjoy it.

As with the drag on the peyote it seems from what i have gathered the older peyotes with the more ball like peyote creates more drag than the squashed perc. yet i have a straight tube and never used that style, so not 100% sure.

[Tokenitup]

awesome collection dude, lovin it.

[colorCs]

I'd say those are a couple of SOLID first pics/ scoops.

... i just really hope someone gave you that toro



cCs

[telemira]

Originally Posted by colorCs

I'd say those are a couple of SOLID first pics/ scoops.

... i just really hope someone gave you that toro



cCs

Alway hating on the Toro Ccs. They aren't that bad...even if JP is a tool. And the work is dope

[knickertoker]

Originally Posted by telemira

I believe the hollowfoot and the ped pillar should have the same drag, so long as they are both natural splash guards. I believe the type you have was produced more commonly before the hollowfoot caught popularity, though ped bases are still made today. I used to have one but traded it for a straight on because of drag.

Nice collection. Diggin' that micro. I have a double inline. How is the drag on it?

That's interesting. Exactly what I wanted to know. I really do like the natural splash guard because of the more natural hitting motion it allows for, but I guess you could design this without the drag inducing bend? But then I'm guessing there wouldn't be much of a splash guard.. I find the drag to be minimal if you fill the water level to a little above the slits. But I think gotta try a straight pillar.
Telimira, I'm looking at your straight Pillar, what is the terminology on that type of splash guard? And also just from looking, wouldn't those small holes or slits in the gaurd create just as much drag as a bend in the natty splash? Regardless I think that's the best looking splash gaurd out; I don't think I've seen any on SG's recently though.
Just took a look at your double inline. Looks ridiculous man...and exactly, I didn't really think I'd go for a Toro either. But the work on that micro is sick. I havent seen anything like that faceted opal encasement before. I really like the way the faceted work looks, and it seems like Toro is one of the only people doing it. Although I believe a faceted single circ is selling for double the price of a regular single circ micro on ALT these days..I don't know if it looks that much better..so I do understand colorCs sentiment..
You think you could put up a video showing how that double inline diffuses? I don't think there is one on the internet yet.
As far as the drag on the double hex, I really can't give a fair answer. I have never hit a peice this small before, with such little volume. It almost seems like there is no drag compared to the other pieces I've tried. If you listen to the video with the LW and the double hex, you can hear the LW when hitting it, whereas the double hex is almost silent until you clear it. I think you'd have to compare it against other Micros side by side to feel a difference in drag. I did see that there was a Micro Dome-line to Inline made by Toro also, and I'm guessing maybe this design probably has a little more drag, considering the dome-style perc. And I really don't see a functional purpose as to why JP even designed a dome-style inline; did you guys see the price on that thing?

SovernlyToro, I didn't even realize there was a difference in the Peyote percs before your mentioned it. And the timing, did you guys see the 3 Pillars that just went up on ALT this morning? They're all gone now but I definitely see the difference in the percs; I'm just wondering how much of a difference it makes. It's been awhile since some really nice worked SG's came up on ALT..Look forward to seeing the new pics SovToro.

I thought that the Stem/8 was a little big for use with the Eclipse; also tried it on the Micro Double Hex:

YouTube - ‪Toro Micro Double Hex with Eclipse Vape‬‏

YouTube - ‪Toro Micro Double Hex with Eclipse Vape‬‏

Just saw these pics labeled: "Micro Toro Cut Inline Prototype"
Looks like JP's prototype for the hex design.

[DomeSchott]

Love your collection man. Very jealous that you have a pillar AND stem-8. Do you think the stem-8 is really smoother than the pillar?

---------- Post added 06-02-2011 at 11:14 PM ----------

Originally Posted by knickertoker

SovernlyToro, I didn't even realize there was a difference in the Peyote percs before your mentioned it. And the timing, did you guys see the 3 Pillars that just went up on ALT this morning? They're all gone now but I definitely see the difference in the percs; I'm just wondering how much of a difference it makes.

I think the more oval shaped the peyote perc is, the easier it is to drop the water level within it, making it hit more grids easier than if it was a perfect sphere. Of course, it may be such a slight difference between different percs that it doesn't make that big of a difference.

[telemira]

The splash guard on mine is called an inverted 4 splash guard because it is actually a perc as well when in the bottom of a tube. You can see a worked one up on ALT right now. In my opinion, it does not cause as much drag as the natty splash, but not everyone agrees. I have owned 3 different peyote pillars, the last one not being pictured in my thread. I got the second straight one because it had a flatter ball that sat lower in the chamber. The drag on this one is actually less than on the one with the larger ball, if you are at all curious about the peyote ball evolution.

As far as my micro is concerned, I find it a little bit draggy, but not too bad. I use it mainly as a rig and it does a great job of delivering large, smooth rips for me, as it is the most diffused oil piece I own. That being said, I still prefer a couple of my other rigs. And I did buy it simply for the faceted opal. I thought it was awesome looking in person, so I picked it up. Mine has a "domeline," which is probably a bit of the reason for the drag, but I think it's intentional. The diameter of the tubing going into the percs is very small and acts like a reduction on your curve so you can take a longer draw to get maximal vapor from your curve/dome.

At SovernlyToro: I have both pieces in question, and I agree with what he says about the stem/8 over the pillar. But for me, there is a noticeable difference in the size of hits between the tubes. Pillars give incredibly thick rips because they milk a dry chamber before undergoing diffusion. Thus, it gives more smoke per cc of volume in your tube. A stem/8 provides an airy hit and it seems like you can milk them forever, but you just aren't getting the same THC/Cannabanoid content from the stem/8.

Keep up the good work. I really enjoy discussions about glass like this, so thanks for the response.

[knickertoker]

Yeah I just can't seem to work it out in my head how that bend in the natty splash would outweigh the influence on drag that those small cuts in the inverted 4 guard would have. That inverted 4 perc seems like one of the rarest and most sought after designs from the SG camp, and probably for good reason. Can someone explain to me why this inverted four perc design might be functionally better than the others designed by SG, such as the Peyote? And also it looks like the Peyote ball has become progressively smaller; and so with it, a greater reduction in drag? That seems like it would make sense. I'm sure Steve at SG is making these Peyote Pillars progressively better, and probably with less drag; so the latest design most likely provide the least drag.

The more time I have with this Micro, the more I feel like it'll also mainly be used as a oil rig. Right now mainly because it has the 14.4mm joint. For an oil rig, people generally want less diffusion correct? Can someone explain why that is? I don't have much experience here either.


"The diameter of the tubing going into the percs is very small and acts like a reduction on your curve so you can take a longer draw to get maximal vapor from your curve/dome."

Sorry for going line by line, but I find this to be very informative. The dome-line is in the second chamber correct? Can you explain how the dome allows for a longer draw. And to me, the drag isn't really there on these micros, so maybe I'd even prefer the dome-line in order to get that particular chuggy feeling I like.

As far as the Stem/8 vs Peyote Pillar discussion, I think telemira succinctly explains the difference between the two perfectly:

"To me, there is a noticeable difference in the size of hits between the tubes. Pillars give incredibly thick rips because they milk a dry chamber before undergoing diffusion. Thus, it gives more smoke per cc of volume in your tube. A stem/8 provides an airy hit and it seems like you can milk them forever, but you just aren't getting the same THC/Cannabanoid content from the stem/8."

This is the first time I've had it explained in terms of smoke particles per cc of tube volume. So this means that the dry chamber allows for a more concentrated hit, even though the smoke eventually does go through water diffusion before enterting the lungs? Also given that this is true; would attaching an ash-catcher without water in it, to any other water diffused piece cause the same effect as a dry chamber?
To me, another major difference between the two pieces is in the taste you receive. The Pillar really preserves the taste, whereas the Stem/8 gives you a more refined hit. I believe this is also due to the dry chamber the smoke enters prior to diffusion; however I do not know how to explain the process. Instead of having a daily driver, I find myself switching between the two. I truly cannot say which one I enjoy more; but agree with telemira in his assessment on concentration per hit. I guess the choice is between hits with a more natural taste out of the Pillar, where you have to take less to get the same effect, or bigger "cleaner" hits out of the Stem/8. The choice of flowers, specifically taste and content might also influence which one you would want to use.

"A stem/8 provides an airy hit and it seems like you can milk them forever, but you just aren't getting the same THC/Cannabanoid content from the stem/8."

Is it the dry chamber that is causing a more concentrated hit, or is it the fact that the smoke undergoes greater diffusion with the stem/8 due to the double gridded chambers? Could you explain how the dry chamber allows for this, and how this concentration is preservsed even after going through the Peyote Pillar water diffusion? Also does greater water diffusion then equate to less content concentration per hit? From the videos it looks to me like the Stem/8 diffuses more. But I have the same exact experience, and feel that the SG Stem/8 is the smoothest hitting piece availible to date.

Here's a comparision video:
SG Peyote Pillar and Stem/8: Luke Wilson Disc Screen Slide, PHx Honeycomb Diffuser Slide.

YouTube - ‪Sovereignty Glass Peyote Pillar v Stem to 8‬‏

YouTube - ‪Sovereignty Glass Peyote Pillar v Stem to 8‬‏

[DomeSchott]

Originally Posted by knickertoker

For an oil rig, people generally want less diffusion correct? Can someone explain why that is? I don't have much experience here either.

In my experience I want more restriction as opposed to less diffusion. I use my stemlines as my DDs and they're both oil rigs. Lately I've been putting my ashcatchers on them for more restriction, and actually more diffusion.

And I think for the Peyote Pillar, that the dry chamber acts almost like a pipe or a steamroller. It's just a dry hit with no diffusion, so it really condenses the smoke and the flavor before undergoing massive amounts of diffusion.

[SovernlyToro]

Originally Posted by DomeSchott

In my experience I want more restriction as opposed to less diffusion. I use my stemlines as my DDs and they're both oil rigs. Lately I've been putting my ashcatchers on them for more restriction, and actually more diffusion.

And I think for the Peyote Pillar, that the dry chamber acts almost like a pipe or a steamroller. It's just a dry hit with no diffusion, so it really condenses the smoke and the flavor before undergoing massive amounts of diffusion.

I do the same i put my circulator on my natty stemline for more diffusion and restriction. I was wavering on the choice of a stem eight for the sole reason the hit seems to be so airy; this is something i do not prefer.

and i have been liking a dry ac on my peyote lately. it also seems to bring more flavor and a more condensed hit.

and is that Lupe in the background of the newest video?????.... if it is he was the dopest concert i have ever been to (pre the cool with Rahzel).